{"id":3595,"date":"2012-11-24T06:39:00","date_gmt":"2012-11-24T06:39:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/?p=3595"},"modified":"2026-10-02T01:35:56","modified_gmt":"2026-10-02T01:35:56","slug":"more-vuja-de-when-hell-is-a-laughing-matter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/?p=3595","title":{"rendered":"More Vuja De &#8211; When Hell is a Laughing Matter"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is a post I don&#8217;t really want to write &#8211; but in the interest of being as transparent as possible, I will.\u00a0I don&#8217;t want to write it because it necessitates a confession, and it&#8217;s bad enough that I said what I said in front of a table full of family members.\u00a0 Now I am about to repeat it online for all who care to read.\u00a0\u00a0 And I am seriously embarrassed by what came out of my mouth and I am reminded of Jesus teaching the religious\u00a0folks of his day that &#8220;it&#8217;s what comes out of the mouth that makes us unclean.&#8221;\u00a0But I risk sharing this because it was another &#8220;vuja de&#8221; moment for me. (Vuja De = seeing something familiar with new eyes, as if for the first time.\u00a0 The opposite of deja vu.)\u00a0Also, it (kind of) gives me a chance to apologize to those at the table. (Sorry!)\u00a0What I said followed a couple of stories regarding a pastor I used to know.\u00a0 They were meant to paint him in\u00a0a very negative light &#8211; all while we sat around the Thanksgiving meal, for heaven&#8217;s sake!\u00a0 Now, to be sure, this man was extremely ill-suited for the ministry.\u00a0 He was mean as a snake, rude and sneaky.\u00a0 But this was 20+ years ago and I am almost certain he has passed away, so it should all be water under the bridge, right?\u00a0Anyway, I told these stories about this man and then someone asked, &#8220;Where is he now?&#8221;\u00a0 And I blurted out, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know &#8230; burning in hell, I think.&#8221;\u00a0 \u00a0This elicited nervous, shocked laughter from some around the table &#8230; \u00a0&#8230; And a rebuke in my spirit.\u00a0 Instant regret!\u00a0 But I had no time to analyze it in the moment (or to apologize) as the conversation continued on in a different direction.\u00a0 \u00a0So here&#8217;s why I call it &#8220;vuja de&#8221; &#8211; I have often told stories about this pastor over the last two decades and have often been asked &#8220;where is he now?&#8217;\u00a0 And my stock answer became: &#8220;I think he moved to a warmer climate.&#8221;\u00a0 That was my &#8220;funny&#8221; way to state two propositions and a conclusion. Prop 1 &#8211; he was not really a believer.\u00a0 Prop 2 &#8211; he has probably passed into eternity.\u00a0 Conclusion &#8211; he is currently separated from God for eternity.\u00a0 For some reason, yesterday I was much more blunt, but in essence I was saying the same thing I had said for years.\u00a0The sting I felt in my spirit wasn&#8217;t so much about me &#8216;judging&#8217; his destiny (though that\u00a0can obviously be\u00a0shaky ground).\u00a0 After all, Jesus did say that there would be false teachers and you would know them by their fruit.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t know that\u00a0many church members around this country\u00a0would argue that, in general, there are a lot of people in a lot of pulpits who have no business being there.\u00a0 And\u00a0I&#8217;m not talking about the ones who are well-meaning but incompetent; I mean the ones who\u00a0don&#8217;t even seem to believe &#8211; or practice &#8211; an ounce of what they preach.\u00a0 And the Apostle Paul warns us that &#8220;teachers&#8221; within the church need to be extra careful because they will be judged more harshly in the End.\u00a0 \u00a0No, the sting of the rebuke was more along these lines: &#8220;Hell is a real place of real torment.\u00a0 It is\u00a0NOT something you would ever wish on your worst enemy.\u00a0 And it is\u00a0NOT something to be flippant about.&#8221;\u00a0In a way, this experience of vuja de is an extension of the one I wrote of the other day &#8211; about doing the will of God.\u00a0 Because if Jesus leaves us with The Great Commission, urging us to &#8220;go&#8221; and to &#8220;make disciples&#8221;, then we have to grapple with the reality of what happens if we DON&#8217;T go and if we DON&#8217;T make disciples.\u00a0Eternal destinies hang in the balance.\u00a0 And that is serious business. \u00a0So here&#8217;s my new and improved answer just 24 hours later,\u00a0in lieu of what God is\u00a0(patiently) teaching me:&#8221;I don&#8217;t know where\u00a0this man\u00a0is.\u00a0 I believe he has passed away.\u00a0 I sincerely hope he had the opportunity to repent and truly trust in Christ before he slipped into eternity.&#8221;\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0P.S.\u00a0 Whoops!\u00a0 It just occurred to me to Google his name &#8230; and it appears he is still among the living.\u00a0 (He must have been much younger than he looked back when I knew him!)\u00a0 I believe God is telling me\u00a0it is high time to let go of any remaining bitterness on my part and forgive the man, right?\u00a0 I feel like I have a reprieve.\u00a0 I&#8217;m praying for you, Rev! (And I really mean that.)\u00a0 I want for you what none of us deserve&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is a post I don&#8217;t really want to write &#8211; but in the interest of being as transparent as possible, I will.\u00a0I don&#8217;t want to write it because it necessitates a confession, and it&#8217;s bad enough that I said what I said in front of a table full of family members.\u00a0 Now I am [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3595","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3595","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3595"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3595\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3596,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3595\/revisions\/3596"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3595"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3595"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3595"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}