{"id":5830,"date":"2024-01-30T01:51:00","date_gmt":"2024-01-30T01:51:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/?p=5830"},"modified":"2026-10-02T01:32:43","modified_gmt":"2026-10-02T01:32:43","slug":"defending-the-indefensible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/?p=5830","title":{"rendered":"DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A little storm has blown up in the obscure corner of YouTube where Calvinists and non-Calvinists debate each other on a regular basis.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One of my favorite non-Calvinists, Warren McGrew (AKA &#8220;Idolkiller&#8221;), ignited the storm by making a comparison between Calvinists and Old Testament Molech worshippers which caused great offense among the Calvinists.<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">His comment was turned into a &#8220;short&#8221; and it garnered a lot of attention.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The central topic was the question of what happens to infants when they die.<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Consistent Calvinists have to say that just like adults, some infants are elect and some infants are reprobates. The elect get heaven and the reprobate get hell.<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It&#8217;s one of many Calvinist doctrines which sounds a little better in the abstract than in the concrete.<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The fascinating part of the whole controversy is that as the Calvinists have taken offense at McGrew&#8217;s comparison, they are left having to defend the indefensible: the belief that God sends some infants to hell simply because they are not of &#8220;the chosen&#8221;.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is a dark upshot of Calvinist systematic theology that most Calvinists would prefer to leave unaddressed.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">McGrew&#8217;s most recent recap of the controversy <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Fb1AvXEa8mg\" target=\"_blank\">can be found HERE<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A little storm has blown up in the obscure corner of YouTube where Calvinists and non-Calvinists debate each other on a regular basis.\u00a0 One of my favorite non-Calvinists, Warren McGrew (AKA &#8220;Idolkiller&#8221;), ignited the storm by making a comparison between Calvinists and Old Testament Molech worshippers which caused great offense among the Calvinists. His comment [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5830","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5830","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5830"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5830\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5831,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5830\/revisions\/5831"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5830"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5830"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stevegrossblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5830"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}